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Hey everyone, I stumbled over a bug in the recent builds (appears from 2019.3 upward) where the whole IDE hangs with the process "REPL Communication": https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/PY-40019

Destroyed work for quite some people and is not present in 2019.2. Until there is a fix I would recommend using the older version. Cheers

@XavierCLL: I never said that, please don't simplify it like that. @lybin is not right, he only came to attack me using my own words ripped out of context. The problem is not about comparing my time to yours, I do really value your time as much as mine. I was pointing out that you decided to change the official distribution, and it affected me in my work time, while I was supposed to do something else, and I needed to do it asap. But instead I needed to fix the package. Now I can see I was all wrong because 1) I should keep this to myself and only focus only on the package here, and 2) you announced the change here and I just didn't mention that, because the "sudo" bug took all my attention. So I appologize for that.

Back to the subject. I would like to point out this from the Arch Wiki that could be related.

"Packages are only split when compelling advantages exist, such as to save disk space in particularly bad cases of waste." - Arch Linux principle of simplicity

"All important messages should be echoed during install using an .install file. For example, if a package needs extra setup to work, directions should be included." - Arch package guidelines

If you decide the fonts extraction is conform with the principle of simplicity, I suggest you to create some nice banner saying "the optional package ttf-jetbrains-mono is part of the PyCharm's default configuration, and it is advised to be installed to keep the default configuration working" or something in that :). Then all users will be warned by the time of the package installation, and no other problems would appear.

@donny: @lybin's right, you cannot say that your time is more valuable than that of others, any spare or working time, is time.

@donny, thanks for unpaid minute spent on me :)

@lybin I am sorry for upsetting you. Further explanations from you are not needed anymore, thanks for your participation.

so as not to further expand this discussion, I will be brief, I wanted to delete the built-in fonts due, for instance, the jetbrain font is developing in an independent stream, it has more patches and releases more often than the Pycharm releases, using the system font guarantee the latest version of the fonts, for example, but I never imagined that cause problems (sorry, and is Jetbrain patching the fonts? I don't think so), whatever the reason for the problem, I'll keep the built-in fonts as is now. I always dedicate some part of my little spare time to contribute in different ways to FLOSS to return to the community a little bit of what they give me (packaging/maintaining is one small of them, normally easy but not free of errors). Thanks guys

@donny, "but please don't compare your unpaid free time with my working hours" please don't tell us next time about your unpaid hours, then nobody will compare it. He spend time that you without pain can work since 2013-09-25 10:56 and now you telling him that? multiply about 10 min on each release, and calculate how many hours he saved you. But I'm agree with your suggestions.

@XavierCLL-

Thank you for reverting. Your attention and quick resolution is noticed and much appreciated.

Telegram has similar story. Fonts removed from the package in 1.5.0-2, the update reverted in 1.5.0-3, introduced again with additional patch fixing the visual issues in 1.5.1-2.

But it's history. Today, Telegram Desktop does not include Open Sans fonts in the build (I mean the cmake build, not the arch package build), unless you reconfigure it to do so. Also afaik Telegram Desktop is Qt app, so it chooses some cute default font when the expected one isn't installed.

On the other side, what does JetBrains say on their websites:

"The most recent version of JetBrains Mono ships with your JetBrains IDE starting with v2019.3."

"JetBrains Mono - Default editor font in PyCharm Since 2020.1"

Telling me "you were using fonts in pycharm that wasn't installed on your system" after removing the default font from the package, the font that is said to be part of the official distribution, is big fail, I am sorry to say that.

Please, @XavierCLL, don't take me wrong, I do appreciate your work on the package, I'm glad you do this and I really like the incredible speed of the package upgrades, and I really don't want to be rude (but please don't compare your unpaid free time with my working hours). I just don't want my most important AUR package to be broken. I rely on this package a lot and you didn't even wrote any warning here in comments about such big change (the package has 19 optdeps, it's easy to overlook the new one), so when I started the app, and had to wait three seconds to render any dropdown menu etc., and then I saw the ugly java-default-monospace font in console (that really wasn't the one I choose in my DE as a default monospace font), I was a little frightened.

@XavierCLL, thanks for your consistent work packaging up pycharm. It is appreciated.